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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the performance, or, what every manager should know about Bob Mager by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome, Dave. I found my last copy of What Every Manager Should Know the other day. I used to keep 4 of them to lend out. Looks like the other three never found their way back. That&#039;s ok with me:)

I agree about Gilbert&#039;s tome. My copy never leaves the security of my own library (lest my post-it bookmarks and notes be gone forever:))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome, Dave. I found my last copy of What Every Manager Should Know the other day. I used to keep 4 of them to lend out. Looks like the other three never found their way back. That&#8217;s ok with me:)</p>
<p>I agree about Gilbert&#8217;s tome. My copy never leaves the security of my own library (lest my post-it bookmarks and notes be gone forever:))</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the performance, or, what every manager should know about Bob Mager by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean: 

Thanks for the link.  The PDF was just to let people know people know the document was in PDF format, not a web page.  Now I&#039;ve got evidence that approach wasn&#039;t clear, so I&#039;ll go revise the note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean: </p>
<p>Thanks for the link.  The PDF was just to let people know people know the document was in PDF format, not a web page.  Now I&#8217;ve got evidence that approach wasn&#8217;t clear, so I&#8217;ll go revise the note.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the performance, or, what every manager should know about Bob Mager by Jean Marrapodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Marrapodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mager absolutely made enormous impact in our field. His stuff should be part of every trainer&#039;s repetoire. One correction to your post that I suspect is a helpful Spellchecker&#039;s contribution and not yours: ISPI&#039;s model is HPT,not PDF. Here&#039;s a link for those who may not know it: http://www.ispi.org/content.aspx?id=54. A diagram of the model is linked there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mager absolutely made enormous impact in our field. His stuff should be part of every trainer&#8217;s repetoire. One correction to your post that I suspect is a helpful Spellchecker&#8217;s contribution and not yours: ISPI&#8217;s model is HPT,not PDF. Here&#8217;s a link for those who may not know it: <a href="http://www.ispi.org/content.aspx?id=54" rel="nofollow">http://www.ispi.org/content.aspx?id=54</a>. A diagram of the model is linked there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the performance, or, what every manager should know about Bob Mager by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan, I&#039;m glad you found the post helpful.

I see a very clear progression--or maybe expansion is a better word--as interrelated concepts open the door to systematic thinking.  

&lt;i&gt;Preparing Instructional Objectives&lt;/i&gt; dealt with the very immediate: how can I focus my teaching / training / structured-learning around observable outcomes?

Once you strengthened your instructional stills, &lt;i&gt;Analyzing Performance Problems&lt;/i&gt; helped you see that no matter how good your training was, it couldn&#039;t address a problem caused by something other than a lack of skill or knowledge.  &lt;i&gt;What Every Manager Should Know&lt;/i&gt; helps non-trainers make that same connection.

Mager&#039;s not the only one who advocated this, of course, though he may have been the most successful popularizer.  Tom Gilbert&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Human Competence&lt;/i&gt; is one of the books I never, ever lend; Rummler and Brache&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Improving Performance&lt;/i&gt; is another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan, I&#8217;m glad you found the post helpful.</p>
<p>I see a very clear progression&#8211;or maybe expansion is a better word&#8211;as interrelated concepts open the door to systematic thinking.  </p>
<p><i>Preparing Instructional Objectives</i> dealt with the very immediate: how can I focus my teaching / training / structured-learning around observable outcomes?</p>
<p>Once you strengthened your instructional stills, <i>Analyzing Performance Problems</i> helped you see that no matter how good your training was, it couldn&#8217;t address a problem caused by something other than a lack of skill or knowledge.  <i>What Every Manager Should Know</i> helps non-trainers make that same connection.</p>
<p>Mager&#8217;s not the only one who advocated this, of course, though he may have been the most successful popularizer.  Tom Gilbert&#8217;s <i>Human Competence</i> is one of the books I never, ever lend; Rummler and Brache&#8217;s <i>Improving Performance</i> is another.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the performance, or, what every manager should know about Bob Mager by Bryan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave- It&#039;s been 10 years since I&#039;ve read Mager (I had the Mager 6 pack back then). His work played an important role early in my education about training/learning (or whatever you want to call it! :) ) It&#039;s time for a little refresher. I just ordered the book above. Thanks for the reminder. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave- It&#8217;s been 10 years since I&#8217;ve read Mager (I had the Mager 6 pack back then). His work played an important role early in my education about training/learning (or whatever you want to call it! :) ) It&#8217;s time for a little refresher. I just ordered the book above. Thanks for the reminder. :)</p>
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