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		<title>Comment on Designing learning, or, what would Elmore do? by Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mike.

There&#039;s more than a little bit of tongue in cheek here.  As Elmore Leonard makes clear in his article, he doesn&#039;t see his rules as laws of physics; they&#039;re more like capsulizations of guidelines that he finds valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mike.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more than a little bit of tongue in cheek here.  As Elmore Leonard makes clear in his article, he doesn&#8217;t see his rules as laws of physics; they&#8217;re more like capsulizations of guidelines that he finds valuable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Designing learning, or, what would Elmore do? by Mike Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE this Dave. Great &quot;common sense&quot; advice that is all too commonly not followed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE this Dave. Great &#8220;common sense&#8221; advice that is all too commonly not followed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flight 1549: Expertise and how it gets there by Real-Time Decision Making &#124; Clyde Street</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real-Time Decision Making &#124; Clyde Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ferguson has written about Flight 1549. Dave has been reading the National Transportation Safety Board report about the incident [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Flight 1549: Expertise and how it gets there by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I couldn&#039;t say whether Sullenberger&#039;s education or training never covered a loss of engines, which is what I assume &quot;all donkeys gone&quot; means.  My focus in this post is not the specifics of the incident but the many factors that go into what&#039;s seen as expertise.

Although I feel sure you&#039;ve read the NTSB report in detail, for the sake of my handful of regular readers I&#039;m going to highlight what it said about the possibility of a return to LaGuardia (4.5 miles from the plane) or a landing at Teterboro (9.5 miles)--not to refute your contention, but to illustrate that informed sources can differ greatly in their assessments.

&lt;em&gt;Simulation flights were run to determine whether the accident flight could have landed successfully at LGA or TEB following the bird strike. The simulations demonstrated that, to accomplish a successful flight to either airport, the airplane would have to have been turned toward the airport immediately after the bird strike.  The immediate turn did not reflect or account for real-world considerations, such as the time delay required to recognize the extent of the engine thrust loss and decide on a course of action.  The one simulator  flight that took into account real-world considerations (a return to LGA runway was attempted after a 35-second delay) was not successful. Therefore, the NTSB concludes that the captain’s decision to ditch on the Hudson River rather than attempting to land  at an airport provided the highest probability that the accident would be survivable.&lt;/em&gt; [Section 2.3.2]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I couldn&#8217;t say whether Sullenberger&#8217;s education or training never covered a loss of engines, which is what I assume &#8220;all donkeys gone&#8221; means.  My focus in this post is not the specifics of the incident but the many factors that go into what&#8217;s seen as expertise.</p>
<p>Although I feel sure you&#8217;ve read the NTSB report in detail, for the sake of my handful of regular readers I&#8217;m going to highlight what it said about the possibility of a return to LaGuardia (4.5 miles from the plane) or a landing at Teterboro (9.5 miles)&#8211;not to refute your contention, but to illustrate that informed sources can differ greatly in their assessments.</p>
<p><em>Simulation flights were run to determine whether the accident flight could have landed successfully at LGA or TEB following the bird strike. The simulations demonstrated that, to accomplish a successful flight to either airport, the airplane would have to have been turned toward the airport immediately after the bird strike.  The immediate turn did not reflect or account for real-world considerations, such as the time delay required to recognize the extent of the engine thrust loss and decide on a course of action.  The one simulator  flight that took into account real-world considerations (a return to LGA runway was attempted after a 35-second delay) was not successful. Therefore, the NTSB concludes that the captain’s decision to ditch on the Hudson River rather than attempting to land  at an airport provided the highest probability that the accident would be survivable.</em> [Section 2.3.2]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flight 1549: Expertise and how it gets there by Dave Brough</title>
		<link>http://www.daveswhiteboard.com/archives/4614/comment-page-1#comment-25999</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Brough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullenberger: &quot;...  for 42 years, I’ve been making small, regular deposits in this bank of experience, education, and training. And on January 15 the balance was sufficient so that I could make a very large withdrawal.&quot;

It&#039;s unfortunate that one of the deposits Sully forgot to make was Rule One of aviation, &quot;See and Avoid&quot;. If he had been watching where he was going, he wouldn&#039;t have ended up going where he was watching. The fact is, this screw-up didn&#039;t have one nanosecond of &#039;experience, education, or training&#039; on what to do in all donkeys gone. First thing: The situation was of his creation and was entirely avoidable.  Second thing: instead of heading back to LGA - which was entirely do-able - he was so petrified that he kept flying away from the airport. His myriad of (blank)-ups included taking over control when he, the experienced pilot, should have performed the trouble-shooting; failure to declare an emergency; failure to use emergency frequency; failure to tell crew that it was a &#039;water&#039; impact; failure to use flaps, failure to turn into the wind; failure to hit ditch switch; failure to advise &#039;don&#039;t use the doors: wings exits only!&#039;; failure to use his cell to communicate with emergency responders. But he did call his wife.
The man should be facing criminal charges of reckless endangerment.
Now that the feathers have settled, wait for the lawsuits to come out of the woodwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullenberger: &#8220;&#8230;  for 42 years, I’ve been making small, regular deposits in this bank of experience, education, and training. And on January 15 the balance was sufficient so that I could make a very large withdrawal.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that one of the deposits Sully forgot to make was Rule One of aviation, &#8220;See and Avoid&#8221;. If he had been watching where he was going, he wouldn&#8217;t have ended up going where he was watching. The fact is, this screw-up didn&#8217;t have one nanosecond of &#8216;experience, education, or training&#8217; on what to do in all donkeys gone. First thing: The situation was of his creation and was entirely avoidable.  Second thing: instead of heading back to LGA &#8211; which was entirely do-able &#8211; he was so petrified that he kept flying away from the airport. His myriad of (blank)-ups included taking over control when he, the experienced pilot, should have performed the trouble-shooting; failure to declare an emergency; failure to use emergency frequency; failure to tell crew that it was a &#8216;water&#8217; impact; failure to use flaps, failure to turn into the wind; failure to hit ditch switch; failure to advise &#8216;don&#8217;t use the doors: wings exits only!&#8217;; failure to use his cell to communicate with emergency responders. But he did call his wife.<br />
The man should be facing criminal charges of reckless endangerment.<br />
Now that the feathers have settled, wait for the lawsuits to come out of the woodwork.</p>
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