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		<title>By: Fraught Decisions &#171; The Usable Learning Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fraught Decisions &#171; The Usable Learning Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] models, breaking content down into manageable chunks, job aids, etc.), but one good resource is  Jeroen van Merrienboer&#8217;s book on Complex Learning which goes into great detail on this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Learnlets &#187; Designing for an uncertain world</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learnlets &#187; Designing for an uncertain world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are seeing richer design models. Van Merrienboer&#8217;s 4 Component ID, for instance, breaks learning up into the knowledge we need, and the complex problems we need to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;Recognize what they believe, understand how it was influenced by their culture.&quot;

I can&#039;t help recalling a couple of lines from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unitarian Jihad&lt;/a&gt;:

Just because you believe it&#039;s true doesn&#039;t make it true. 
Just because your motives are pure doesn&#039;t mean you are not doing harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Recognize what they believe, understand how it was influenced by their culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help recalling a couple of lines from the <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL" rel="nofollow">Unitarian Jihad</a>:</p>
<p>Just because you believe it&#8217;s true doesn&#8217;t make it true.<br />
Just because your motives are pure doesn&#8217;t mean you are not doing harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion about attitudes is fascinating. I&#039;m working on a project for the Army right now in which some problematic cultural attitudes are enforced by the emotionally challenging situations that soldiers encounter on deployment. 

Like Clark and Dave, we&#039;re not trying to tell people what they should believe. We&#039;re just trying to get them to recognize what they believe, understand how it was influenced by their culture, and see how it&#039;s contributing to their current emotional reaction. We want them to identify and manage it. Kind of hard to do when you&#039;re 20 and getting shot at but it&#039;s worth a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion about attitudes is fascinating. I&#8217;m working on a project for the Army right now in which some problematic cultural attitudes are enforced by the emotionally challenging situations that soldiers encounter on deployment. </p>
<p>Like Clark and Dave, we&#8217;re not trying to tell people what they should believe. We&#8217;re just trying to get them to recognize what they believe, understand how it was influenced by their culture, and see how it&#8217;s contributing to their current emotional reaction. We want them to identify and manage it. Kind of hard to do when you&#8217;re 20 and getting shot at but it&#8217;s worth a try.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t argue with any of that, Clark.  

At a neighborhood grocery in Paris, on vacation, I started to pick out a pear.  The woman running the shop told me &quot;Non, non!&quot; then asked if I&#039;d be eating it that day or the next.  Then &lt;em&gt;she&lt;/em&gt; picked out the pear.

That&#039;s the way it worked, at least at that shop, disconcerting as it might be for a pick-it-yourself American.

In a different context, here&#039;s how a former boss handled the usually-dreadful &quot;diversity training&quot; at GE:

We&#039;re in a tough competitive world.  We need all the top talent we can find.  So as a company we don&#039;t want to discourage anyone from working for us because they don&#039;t feel accepted due to things that don&#039;t matter to us as a company.

So we&#039;re going to talk about certain workplace behaviors.  Some of them are illegal, and people who engage in this behavior are breaking the law.

Other behaviors that aren&#039;t illegal are still contrary to our company policy.  So we&#039;ll talk about what the policies are and give examples of how certain behaviors can violate that policy.

...Without saying so exactly, the approach was &quot;if you &lt;em&gt;act&lt;/em&gt; as though women shouldn&#039;t be in certain jobs at GE, you&#039;re hindering our ability to hire and retain the best people--and we have a problem with that.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t argue with any of that, Clark.  </p>
<p>At a neighborhood grocery in Paris, on vacation, I started to pick out a pear.  The woman running the shop told me &#8220;Non, non!&#8221; then asked if I&#8217;d be eating it that day or the next.  Then <em>she</em> picked out the pear.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way it worked, at least at that shop, disconcerting as it might be for a pick-it-yourself American.</p>
<p>In a different context, here&#8217;s how a former boss handled the usually-dreadful &#8220;diversity training&#8221; at GE:</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in a tough competitive world.  We need all the top talent we can find.  So as a company we don&#8217;t want to discourage anyone from working for us because they don&#8217;t feel accepted due to things that don&#8217;t matter to us as a company.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;re going to talk about certain workplace behaviors.  Some of them are illegal, and people who engage in this behavior are breaking the law.</p>
<p>Other behaviors that aren&#8217;t illegal are still contrary to our company policy.  So we&#8217;ll talk about what the policies are and give examples of how certain behaviors can violate that policy.</p>
<p>&#8230;Without saying so exactly, the approach was &#8220;if you <em>act</em> as though women shouldn&#8217;t be in certain jobs at GE, you&#8217;re hindering our ability to hire and retain the best people&#8211;and we have a problem with that.&#8221;</p>
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