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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rey:

That&#039;s a good question.  &quot;Onboarding&quot; has such a broad range that you may have to answer it within the context of your particular organization.

Offhand, one component of onboarding is &quot;how do I find out who&#039;s where and which group does what?&quot;  Offhand I&#039;d say that&#039;s fairly straightforward, even if the answer shifts over time.  A larger question is, &quot;What do we make, for whom, and why?&quot;  There you might be able to apply the whole-task approach, at various levels of details, to help a new individual understand the company in terms of the needs of some of its current customers.

There&#039;s also the non-manufacturing part of the manufacturing organization.  What I have in mind here is the kind of thing we had at GE: somebody&#039;s building the turbines or the plastics or whatever, somebody&#039;s out marketing them, somebody&#039;s working to understand the needs of clients and communicate those to developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rey:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good question.  &#8220;Onboarding&#8221; has such a broad range that you may have to answer it within the context of your particular organization.</p>
<p>Offhand, one component of onboarding is &#8220;how do I find out who&#8217;s where and which group does what?&#8221;  Offhand I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s fairly straightforward, even if the answer shifts over time.  A larger question is, &#8220;What do we make, for whom, and why?&#8221;  There you might be able to apply the whole-task approach, at various levels of details, to help a new individual understand the company in terms of the needs of some of its current customers.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the non-manufacturing part of the manufacturing organization.  What I have in mind here is the kind of thing we had at GE: somebody&#8217;s building the turbines or the plastics or whatever, somebody&#8217;s out marketing them, somebody&#8217;s working to understand the needs of clients and communicate those to developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rey Lozano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rey Lozano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admitt I haven&#039;t read the book only the articles on 4C/ID and that I look forward to going through this whole site.  What I have read so far, however, intuitively appears to be something that I can model a manufacturing training program after.  I am however having difficulty relaying much of the jargon and verbage to the manufacturing environment.  Being in the developmental stages of the training program intuitively I understand that our training environment will be simulator-based and that much of the training will have to be compartmentalized and what attracted me intitially was the part-task component on this model.  Dave, can this model serve as the basis for designing an &quot;on-boarding&quot; program for new employees that integrates them fully into the company culture while training them in complex entry-level production jobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admitt I haven&#8217;t read the book only the articles on 4C/ID and that I look forward to going through this whole site.  What I have read so far, however, intuitively appears to be something that I can model a manufacturing training program after.  I am however having difficulty relaying much of the jargon and verbage to the manufacturing environment.  Being in the developmental stages of the training program intuitively I understand that our training environment will be simulator-based and that much of the training will have to be compartmentalized and what attracted me intitially was the part-task component on this model.  Dave, can this model serve as the basis for designing an &#8220;on-boarding&#8221; program for new employees that integrates them fully into the company culture while training them in complex entry-level production jobs?</p>
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		<title>By: Fraught Decisions &#171; The Usable Learning Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fraught Decisions &#171; The Usable Learning Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] models, breaking content down into manageable chunks, job aids, etc.), but one good resource is  Jeroen van Merrienboer&#8217;s book on Complex Learning which goes into great detail on this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] models, breaking content down into manageable chunks, job aids, etc.), but one good resource is  Jeroen van Merrienboer&#8217;s book on Complex Learning which goes into great detail on this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Learnlets &#187; Designing for an uncertain world</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learnlets &#187; Designing for an uncertain world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are seeing richer design models. Van Merrienboer&#8217;s 4 Component ID, for instance, breaks learning up into the knowledge we need, and the complex problems we need to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Recognize what they believe, understand how it was influenced by their culture.&quot;

I can&#039;t help recalling a couple of lines from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unitarian Jihad&lt;/a&gt;:

Just because you believe it&#039;s true doesn&#039;t make it true. 
Just because your motives are pure doesn&#039;t mean you are not doing harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Recognize what they believe, understand how it was influenced by their culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help recalling a couple of lines from the <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL" rel="nofollow">Unitarian Jihad</a>:</p>
<p>Just because you believe it&#8217;s true doesn&#8217;t make it true.<br />
Just because your motives are pure doesn&#8217;t mean you are not doing harm.</p>
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