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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Learning about&#8221; versus &#8220;learning to be&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold, I think the flow can run either way -- in learning about some topic, you can find yourself being drawn into it, going beyond the general and obvious, so that you shift into &quot;to be.&quot;

Learning to be is more diffuse, more difficult to get a handle on, which is probably why our formal models have tended the other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold, I think the flow can run either way &#8212; in learning about some topic, you can find yourself being drawn into it, going beyond the general and obvious, so that you shift into &#8220;to be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Learning to be is more diffuse, more difficult to get a handle on, which is probably why our formal models have tended the other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly, the thing this comment triggered for me was the collegial way I was welcomed (in person) by people at my first ISPI conference.  Maybe the luck of the draw in terms of who I bumped into, but I felt part of a face-to-face community of practice.

I take your point about SL, though I think it depends on the sim you&#039;re in.  (As many people have pointed out, in general you don&#039;t see avatars of color, nor fat ones, nor old ones.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wordspy.com/words/LakeWobegoneffect.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lake Wobegon effect&lt;/a&gt; meets Gold&#039;s Gym.)

Still, I agree with both your point and the one in the article.  In a sense, the immediate community (however defined) chooses how to value the contributions of its members.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.daveswhiteboard.com/archives/129&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eric Kandel&lt;/a&gt; makes a similar point about his brain research: he doesn&#039;t think he and his teams could have achieved what they did in the more hierarchical world of European academia.  In the U.S., postdocs and even grad students were encouraged and even expected to have ideas, pursue hypotheses, ask questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly, the thing this comment triggered for me was the collegial way I was welcomed (in person) by people at my first ISPI conference.  Maybe the luck of the draw in terms of who I bumped into, but I felt part of a face-to-face community of practice.</p>
<p>I take your point about SL, though I think it depends on the sim you&#8217;re in.  (As many people have pointed out, in general you don&#8217;t see avatars of color, nor fat ones, nor old ones.  The <a href="http://www.wordspy.com/words/LakeWobegoneffect.asp" rel="nofollow">Lake Wobegon effect</a> meets Gold&#8217;s Gym.)</p>
<p>Still, I agree with both your point and the one in the article.  In a sense, the immediate community (however defined) chooses how to value the contributions of its members.  <a href="http://www.daveswhiteboard.com/archives/129" rel="nofollow">Eric Kandel</a> makes a similar point about his brain research: he doesn&#8217;t think he and his teams could have achieved what they did in the more hierarchical world of European academia.  In the U.S., postdocs and even grad students were encouraged and even expected to have ideas, pursue hypotheses, ask questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had some similar thoughts on my post today. Hmm; first learn to be (or even to do) and then learn about what is of interest or important for you in your social (including work) context.

Gotta read this one - thanks, Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had some similar thoughts on my post today. Hmm; first learn to be (or even to do) and then learn about what is of interest or important for you in your social (including work) context.</p>
<p>Gotta read this one &#8211; thanks, Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Clarey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Clarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;On the internet, no one knows youâ€™re a grad assistant.&quot;

This is something I really like about social media. I especially notice it in environments like Second Life where you don&#039;t even use your own name. All those stereotypes, hierarchies are removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;On the internet, no one knows youâ€™re a grad assistant.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is something I really like about social media. I especially notice it in environments like Second Life where you don&#8217;t even use your own name. All those stereotypes, hierarchies are removed.</p>
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